In 1965 my husband, Dietrich von Hildebrand and I had a private audience with Pope Paul VI, in which my husband “shot from the hip” as usual, saying “Your Holiness, you realise that the Church is going through the worst crisis in history, worse than the Protestant Reformation” (which I usually refer to as the Protestant Deformation). The Pope seemed to be surprised and my husband continued: “What has taken place is that people have lost sight of the supernatural.”